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Stephen selvam

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who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« on: April 26, 2016, 09:36:25 PM »
Are they all one?

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 01:35:39 AM »
If so,the father had commanded us to not to worship other than him in the very first commandments which was written by Moses.if it's the case,as u say,no one can be a father and son to himself,being they different as father and son,why should we worship the SON,the JESUS.WE MUST ONLY WORSHIP THE FATHER.RIGHT?

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2016, 01:45:49 AM »
Because the father did not frankly tell anyone that he would send his son to save this world from sin...
Am confused...
They must be one or we are sinning by trespassing the very first commandments.

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2016, 01:47:23 AM »
Let's put HS aside for some time...

udaya

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 07:47:47 AM »
@: Are they all one?

No,They are not one person , but one entity.
Jesus said in some verses , that He and Father are equal/one.

@: why should we worship the SON,the JESUS.

Because , we are told to do so .

@: WE MUST ONLY WORSHIP THE FATHER.RIGHT?

That's depends on which part of the Bible you look into.

@: Because the father did not frankly tell anyone that he would send his son to save this world from sin...

Although Father did not say , His Son said He came here to save us from sin.
Is that not convincing to you ?

@: Am confused...

Beware of Satan ...his main business is confusing people..

@: They must be one or we are sinning by trespassing the very first commandments.

Don't worry ...God himself asked His chosen people to do things that violates His own commandments.

Please read Reply #11..under the topic "What is sin " in this forum.

@: Let's put HS aside for some time..

OK.

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 08:30:37 AM »
@ No,They are not one person , but one entity.
Jesus said in some verses , that He and Father are equal/one.

Of course he is not a person.
Which versus.can u please cite it for reference?

@ Because , we are told to do so .

Which versus.can u please cite it for reference?

@ That's depends on which part of the Bible you look into.

I take both the parts and thats why it made me confusion.

@ Although Father did not say , His Son said He came here to save us from sin.
Is that not convincing to you ?

Why should he wanted to do which was not said by THE FATHER?

@ Beware of Satan ...his main business is confusing people.

Yes of course I am aware of this and I am aware of this too. he can can confuse whoever don't know and don't want to know the gods words.

@ Don't worry ...God himself asked His chosen people to do things that violates His own commandments.

I don't think so.

udaya

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 09:48:54 AM »
Father = Son.....reference.... John 14:9
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regarding worshiping Son.......

we are told to so by believers ...not from the bible ....not even by Jesus himself.
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@: Why should he wanted to do which was not said by THE FATHER?

Bro...we are in the same boat.

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regarding commandment violation.....

Kindly take time to read Reply #11..under the topic "What is sin " in this forum.

(I don't want to do copy-paste , as it would drain precious forum space)

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 07:01:43 PM »
@Reply #8
•Worshipping..
So that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. The one not honoring the Son does not honor the Father who has sent Him. - Joh 5:23 HRB

Cite the same book,same chapter versus number 46.where did Mises write about him.I hope he did write only the commandments,thoughts and all other disciplines of the Lord.If you take John 5:46,Jesus himself saying that Moses had written about him which implies the Lord is the Jesus.If u decline my imply,cite the versus where Moses did write about Jesus.

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2016, 08:29:27 PM »
Reply #9 
Father = Son.....reference.... John 14:9

Which implies they are same.its just like A=B or B=A.

@Bro...we are in the same boat.

No my dear brother,of course we are not in the same boat.

@ Kindly take time to read Reply #11..under the topic "What is sin " in this forum.

I have Read it.
Still I don't think so.my answer is actually very big but Am lazy in typing.
The only thing that confuses me is Hosea 1:1-3.
But there must be a reason.

udaya

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 10:37:01 PM »
@: No my dear brother,of course we are not in the same boat.

Sure. I am not in your boat except for the point mentioned.

@: I have Read it.  Still I don't think so.....

Good. I respect your opinion.

@: The only thing that confuses me is Hosea 1:1-3. But there must be a reason.

Good reason by any chance ?

Stephen selvam

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 06:50:56 PM »
@Reply #12

@ Good. I respect your opinion.

No. That's my beleif.

@ Good reason by any chance ?

Need to refer Bible.

udaya

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 10:54:04 PM »
@:  Clearly that Messenger was the Word of Elohim - Yahshua..

Exo 23:23 indicates otherwise.
Yahshua is going to take us to a place where Elohim has decided to destroy the inhabitants ?
I think the verse indicates OT happening , probably 'promised land' invasion.

Could you please clarify ,How Exo 23:20-23 is pointing to a NT period  happening or thereafter ?

udaya

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Re: who is the FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2016, 06:32:36 AM »
Little confused...

Please correct me if I am wrong.

OT and NT does exist just for our understanding , but is a single homogeneous book..right ?

People like Abraham , Moses , David , Mary , Peter etc.,were just lived in different time line....not in different period/era.

Elohim & Yahshua are always exist and mentioned through out the whole bible. While
Elohim is easily identified in the verses , Yahshua pointers in the OT have been concealed intentionally.

Exo 23:20-23 is just one of them.

If I am more or less correct then we can go to the next phase of this conversation.