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Posted by: arullpm
« on: September 18, 2015, 08:51:11 AM »

பெட்டர்மாஸ் லைட்டேதா வேணுமா....:)

நா நம்புறேன்... உங்களுக்காக நா கேள்விப்பட்டா சொல்லுறேன் கன்டிப்பா!!!!
Posted by: APLawrence
« on: September 18, 2015, 08:11:13 AM »

[quote author=arullpm link=topic=1240.msg5440#msg5440 date=1442567889]
While i was studing, one day I faced financial pbm. So urgently i needed money. I asked my father. But he didn't have. But didn't ask anyone except my father. With great unpleasant I was walking on the streets and was thinking of this and not prayed too. I heard a voice saying, "why are you worring?, don't you believe that I am with you." Then I realized and with little happy in my face I was just keep walking. After sometimes my friend called me(he is my prayer mate) and said, "do you have any pbm?." I replied "nothing". Then he said "no, Holy Spirit is pushing me to help u, since you are in some trouble". Then I explained him. And for my surprise he was standing near to me in a bus stop. And gave that amount...

And the next day, I am going to my home through a bus and the ticket cost will be rs.42 always. So i had rs.52. And kept remaining 10 for another bus. But for my surprise that day ticket cost is 52. No money was remaining with me. I have to walk for 8kms. But I had seen miracle yesterday nyt, so with the great assurance in my Spirit I said, "this is not a big deal with you God, u will not walk, u will lead me."  I was reading a book in the bus, and didnt watch anything inside the bus. After sometimes i closed the book and turned my beside, my heart filled with crying, joy, unexplained feelings. I saw some acquaintances near me.

May be that two incidents are very little and not a big issue. But where I started my walk.. Then it growed and shined in all my exams. Even my personal characters has changed.
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Posted by: udaya
« on: September 18, 2015, 05:21:55 AM »

To reply #16

If you want to believe what you say , then please do....that's your personal life ...
I am not against , people get benefited by believing something , even if what they believe is unacceptable to me. In fact I encourage them .
After all why we go after GOD....?
We need help............help that man cannot give !
Posted by: udaya
« on: September 18, 2015, 05:21:02 AM »

To reply # 15

Your testimony is wonderful ! .......but......
If by any chance , did you write this testimony , in response to my request in reply #13 ( real world example ) , then I want to clarify that request.....
I want a real world example of people ( believer ) not get hurt when they consumed poison by mistake or by intention .

I , myself witnessed a comparable case ....

One of my neighbors used to brush his teeth by neem sticks , from a neem tree grown in front of our house . Gradually , he developed the habbit of    eating the sticks and later the leaves...Then he addicted to consumption of the leaves in a maddened way.
One day he was bitten by a deadly snake , where he work (He was working in a mill , where there are plenty of thick bushes ).  To my great surprise , the snake died and he survived.!  ( later i couldn't accept the death of the snake which i considered as illogical , but that is a different story ). I have witnessed a "poison-not-affecting-a-person "scene !

I don't want to equate this story to the topic at hand....however , this is a real world example ...

Did you ever witnessed a situation where
a believer did not get hurt when he consumed poison by mistake or otherwise ?

Please share it ....
Posted by: udaya
« on: September 18, 2015, 05:19:45 AM »

To reply# 14

@:  I don't want u to make believe everything bible tells blindly,

Now you talk reasonably.... This is exactly what I said in various threads of this forum......

@:  but test in a good way.

எல்லாவற்றையும் சோதித்துப் பார்த்து, நலமானதைப் பிடித்துக்கொள்ளங்கள் என்ற பவுலின் கூற்றுப்படி , சோதனையை வேதாகம வார்த்தைகள் மீது மேற்கொள்வதில் என்ன தவறு ?
" நலமானதை " என்று கூறினாலே " நலமில்லாத " ஒன்றும் இருப்பதாகத்தானே அர்த்தம் ?

வேதாகமத்தில் " நலமில்லாத " கருத்துக்கள் இல்லை என்று யாராவது நினைத்தால், அவர்களுக்காக ஒரு sample இதோ......

புருஷர் ஒருவரோடொருவர் சண்டைபண்ணிக்கொண்டிருக்கையில், ஒருவனுடைய மனைவி தன் புருஷனை அடிக்கிறவன் கைக்கு அவனைத் தப்புவிக்கும்படி வந்து, தன் கையை நீட்டி, அடிக்கிறவன் * மானத்தைப் * பிடித்ததுண்டானால்,

அவளுடைய கையைத் தறிக்கக்கடவாய், உன் கண் அவளுக்கு இரங்கவேண்டாம்.
உபாகமம் 25 :11 , 12.
Posted by: arullpm
« on: September 18, 2015, 02:33:28 AM »

I tested verses with the faith of assurance that it will happen. So i got.

Where my physical strength and mindset came in these incidents.
Unless Holy Spirit, how can i be assured!..

So I believe in Holy Spirit.... I love Holy Spirit..
Posted by: arullpm
« on: September 18, 2015, 02:18:09 AM »

While i was studing, one day I faced financial pbm. So urgently i needed money. I asked my father. But he didn't have. But didn't ask anyone except my father. With great unpleasant I was walking on the streets and was thinking of this and not prayed too. I heard a voice saying, "why are you worring?, don't you believe that I am with you." Then I realized and with little happy in my face I was just keep walking. After sometimes my friend called me(he is my prayer mate) and said, "do you have any pbm?." I replied "nothing". Then he said "no, Holy Spirit is pushing me to help u, since you are in some trouble". Then I explained him. And for my surprise he was standing near to me in a bus stop. And gave that amount...

And the next day, I am going to my home through a bus and the ticket cost will be rs.42 always. So i had rs.52. And kept remaining 10 for another bus. But for my surprise that day ticket cost is 52. No money was remaining with me. I have to walk for 8kms. But I had seen miracle yesterday nyt, so with the great assurance in my Spirit I said, "this is not a big deal with you God, u will not walk, u will lead me."  I was reading a book in the bus, and didnt watch anything inside the bus. After sometimes i closed the book and turned my beside, my heart filled with crying, joy, unexplained feelings. I saw some acquaintances near me.

May be that two incidents are very little and not a big issue. But where I started my walk.. Then it growed and shined in all my exams. Even my personal characters has changed.
Posted by: arullpm
« on: September 18, 2015, 01:16:13 AM »


Physical mindset can change gradually.
For instance,
It will happen, may be it will happen, i dont have any hope about it and finally its never gonna happen.

So depending upon the times, our mindset may change.

But faith is totally different from that.
It's an assurance. But for that believing physically not enough.
It is spiritually connected.


Israelities by there own eyes had seen all wonders done by God in the wilderness, but they raged against God every time when something was needed. So physically they had understood power of God. But they forgot after sometimes.

I don't want u to make believe everything bible tells blindly, but test in a good way.

In the days of old testament, Spirit of God was upon particular peoples who was leading.

So they had the assurance of God is working for present as well as future. Because Holy Spirit testified all the things to them.

But now, Holy Spirit of God has given through Jesus Christ to everyone who believes in His name. So if we receive Holy Spirit, he will give that assured faith(1cori 12:9).

So u will ask which Holy Spirit.

But only one Holy Spirit is here, that is Sprit of God.1(cori 12:4).
Posted by: udaya
« on: September 18, 2015, 12:45:19 AM »

@: 1. Believer --- accepting Christ but not practicing in their life style...
2. Believer --- accepting Christ and practicing in their life style....

OK.....you have mentioned two types of believers in your reply # 12.

That is...
Believer 1
Believer 2.

Right ? ( now you have avoided ' believing person ' ! )

May I ask you , which believer (1 or 2  ) , Mark 16:18 talks about , and why we should come to that conclusion ?

@:  Normal person who is reflecting God in their life .....also possible bro... When they go near to God ....his glory filled in their body...we may not see but they could feel in their body....  So when poison thinks r going accidentally or unknowingly inside the human body.... It won't affect because God's glory was already filled in him...so nothing will harm.... That's all...

I haven't heard of such an incident . Could you please cite a real world example ?
Posted by: susan paul
« on: September 18, 2015, 12:08:50 AM »

Bro...what I am meaning is believer only but in that two type of people where there....u may ask how?  See when Adam and Eve had fruit they had good and bad....so  after that everything became good and bad .....choice is ours thats all.....
1. Believer --- accepting Christ but not practicing in their life style...
2. Believer --- accepting Christ and practicing in their life style....

That's all....

Normal person who is reflecting God in their life .....also possible bro... When they go near to God ....his glory filled in their body...we may not see but they could feel in their body....  So when poison thinks r going accidentally or unknowingly inside the human body.... It won't affect because God's glory was already filled in him...so nothing will harm.... That's all...
Posted by: udaya
« on: September 17, 2015, 11:23:28 PM »

To Reply#9

Welcome back SP.

I think your definition about " believer / believing person " is somewhat ...........tailor made ! ! !
A person who does teaching something is a *teacher.*......
A person who does driving some vehicle is a *driver*.......similarly....
A person believe something (Jesus for that matter) can be said * a believer * !!!

Believing.........verb
Believer...........noun......what is the problem ?

IT IS A BASIC ENGLISH GRAMMAR THING ! ! ! !

OK...let us put aside the grammar lesson.

I understand , when a person believe Jesus Christ , his mind changes in a certain way that he become capable of resist worries, problems etc...
It is totally related to MIND !
What I don't understand is , how the mind change leads to unbelievable physical change ? Consuming poison and get unhurted  is related to human physiology .
Would they become a person like முனிவர் , சித்தர் , ரிஷி ,etc ?

BTW , I appreciate your "answering ministry ".  :-)
Posted by: udaya
« on: September 17, 2015, 10:29:44 PM »

To reply#7

@:    தங்களை கஷ்டப்படுத்தி இருந்தால் மன்னிக்கவும்.

இல்லவே இல்லை சகோ.....மாறாக தமாஷாக பேசி மனமகிழ்ச்சியை ஏற்படுத்தினீர்கள்... நன்றி.
Posted by: susan paul
« on: September 17, 2015, 08:26:22 PM »

Praise the Lord .....
Really answer is simple....but the way u people r talking like big issue....
Mark 16:18 is talking for believing person ....not a believer .....
It was given "when they drink deadly poison....."
It is happen accidentally not making as a test...... ( drinking poison ).....
Y its not affecting their body means ....only one reason is Christ is living inside.... U may ask then y Christian people r drinking poison and taking their life away from the world...
Already I told that this is only believing person not a believer ...

BELIEVER: they knew Christ but at present they also have desire to do all things ...so they can fall ( they did not submit their whole heart ) still they r double minded

BELIEVING PERSON: they also have rights to do wrong thinks but by faith walking with the Lord.....they may not a believer in church  ......but still trusting God alone ..... So God is living inside ....so nothing can harm God..... That's all...

I hope so all other also understand ......read Isaiah 43:2 they may go through such a trouble but nothing can harm them because God is with them inside and outside
Posted by: TitusDhinesh
« on: September 17, 2015, 08:46:13 AM »

Praise the Lord bro...
தேவன் உங்க நண்பரை ரட்சிக்க சித்தமாக இருந்தால் அவரை மரணத்தில் இருந்து மீட்பார்.
நாம் அவருக்காக  ஜெபிக்க மட்டுமே முடியும். ரட்சிப்பு தேவனுடையது.
Posted by: arullpm
« on: September 17, 2015, 06:55:19 AM »

அப்படி அல்ல சகோதரா நிதானமில்லாமல் என்ன பேசினாலும் தவராகிவிடும்.

நான் கோபத்தோடே எதையும் சொல்லவில்லை  எனக்கு வருதமும் இல்லை.

என்னைவிட வேதாகமத்தை நன்கு அறிந்தவர் என்பதை அறிவேன்.

நான் பேசி நீங்களும் பேசி விவாதம் விசுவாசம் இல்லாமல் தொடருதை விட
உரையாடலை தற்ச்சமயம் நிருத்தி வைத்தால் நலமென்ற நோக்கில் தான் அப்படி முற்று வைத்தேன்.

தங்களை கஷ்டப்படுத்தி இருந்தால் மன்னிக்கவும்.